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30 ديسمبر 2005

السقايين لسيد درويش

مشكورين علي المجهود الرائع عن تسجيلات سيد درويش 

كنت اتمني لو تكرمتم و أضفتم لحن السقايين طقطوقة يهون الله يعوض الله 

 ولكم جزيل الشكر وكل عام وأنتم بخير

أيمن محمد

 

تعليق أراب ميوزيك

الصديق العزيز أيمن

مرحبا بك وشكرا لرسالتك وتحياتك

لحن السقايين يجرى إعداده للنشر .. يهون الله !!

مع أطيب التمنيــات

 

 

 

27 ديسمبر 2005

ألحان لسيد درويش

اولآ اود ان اهنئكم علي هذا الموقع فوق الممتاز واتمني ان تقبلوني عضوا فيه
انا محتاج جدا قطع موسيقية لسيد درويش
1) موسيقي زوروني كل سنة مرة
2) الحلوة دي
3) بعض المقاطع الاصطناعية مثل لحن العربجية - السقايين
لكن انا محتاجهم ضروري جدا النهاردة او بكرة
واشكركم جزيل الشكر واتمني لكم التوفيق دائما

وائــل جسـين

 

تعليق أراب ميوزيك: الصديق العزيز وائل

شكرا لتحيتك الرقيقة ومرحبا بك فى كلاسيكيات الموسيقى العربية ،الموقع مفتوح دون إجراءات عضوية ، فقط تصبح عضوا بمجرد إرسالك أول رسالة

موسيقى سيد درويش التى طلبتها متوفرة على صفحة نصوص وتسجيلات سيد درويش

 Sayed Darwish, Lyrics & Recordings  وستجد بها موسيقى زورونى كما سجلتها فرقة الأخوين رحبانى ، وكذلك موسيقى لحن الصنايعية الحلوة دى ، ويمكنك تسجيلها فــورا ، كما توجد بنفس الصفحة عدة ألحان أخرى لسيد درويش مع نصوصها

موسيقى ألحان السقايين والعربجية غير متوفرة بالموقع حاليا ولا يمكن إرسالها بالبريد

لم تخبرنا ما وجه السرعة فى الموضوع ..؟! كما نرجو توضيح ما المقصود بالمقاطع الاصطناعية؟!

مع أطيب التمنيات

 

 

26 ديسمبر 2005

فيك عشرة كوتشينة

تحية لكم من عند الله مباركة....وبعد

أرجو مساعدتى فى العثور على موقع على الانترنت لسماع أغنية الموسيقار محمد عبد الوهاب  : فيك عشرة كوتشينة..او المكان الذى أجد فيه شريط لها فى مصر

د. محمد عبد الله – السعودية

 

تعليق أراب ميوزيك:

الأستاذ الدكتور محمد عبد الله  

شكرا جزيلا لرسالتك ولتعريفنا بشخصك الكريم ومرحبا بك صديقا للموقع

أغنية محمد عبد الوهاب هذه هى أول أغنية يسجلها على اسطوانة ، وقد سجلها عام 1927 ولذا فهى من التسجيلات النادرة ، وليست متداولة فى الأسواق فى مدى علمنا ، وإنما تجدها فقط لدى الهواة والموسيقيين المهتمين بالتراث

على أى حال سنحاول إجابة طلبك قريبا بإذن الله

مع أطيب التمنيات
 

 

2 ديسمبر 2005

محمــد عبــده

Mohamed Abdo

I had promised to send you something about Mohamed Abdo. I did send a first mail but apparently there was a problem. During all this time. Abdo has performed at the Cairo Opera house two weeks ago. I don't know if you caught the concert.
This is a first mail containing links to his most important songs. ……

Salem Said

CAM Comment

Dear Salem

Thank you very much for your valuable message re. Mohamed Abdo. It is our pleasure to publish it in the Visitors' Contributions section. Later we may publish a special page about him under suitable title but we preferred to publish now what you have thankfully prepared. You can add more to it any time, only write to us. Please follow the link to see your contribution.

 

 

1 ديسمبر  2005

زورونى لسيد درويش

مساء الخيير..

انا اسفة جدا انا قصدى سيد درويش..

و بصوت سيد مكاوى

انا لقيتها فى السايت بصوت فيروز..مش عارفة اللى بصوت سيد مكاوى موجودة و لا لأة؟؟

و اسفة على الازعاج..

و شكرا فعلا السايت هايل..و مجمع كمية هايلة من الاغانى

سلاااام

يــارا

 

تعليق أراب ميوزيك: الأخت العزيزة يــارا

لا داعى للأسف ، وصلت الرسالة وشكرا لتحياتك ، سنحاول إحابة طلبك فى أقرب فرصة

مع أطيب التمنيات

 

 

30 نوفمبر 2005

زورونى لسيد مكاوى!

السلام عليكم..

انا بدور على اغنية زورونى لسيد مكاوى..

هل عندكم بصوته؟؟

ولا هو ما غناش الاغنية و فيروز بس هى اللى غنتها؟؟  

ولو غناها بصوته انا مش لاقياها على السايت..

لو ممكن حد يبعتهالى؟؟

 

شكرا..سلام

يـــارا

 

تعليق أراب ميوزيك

الأخت العزيزة يارا

شكرا لرسالتك ومرحبا بك صديقة جديدة للموقع ، هل تقصدين زورونى لسيد مكاوى أم لسيد درويش؟

جرى العرف على استخدام تعبير أغنية كذا لفلان للكناية عن اسم صاحب الأغنية وهو عادة المطرب أو الملحن ، ويفهم من سؤالك أن المقصود أغنية زورونى لمطربها أو لملحنها سيد مكاوى ، والواقع أنها لسيد درويش وليست لسيد مكاوى ، أما التعبير بصوت فلان فقد يعنى بصوت آخر غير المطرب الأصلى أو بصوت الملحن

فإذا كان المقصود بصوت الملحن أى سيد درويش فإنه لم يسجلها بصوته ، وإنما سجلها كل من المطرب زكى مراد والد المطربة ليلى مراد ومطربة القطرين فتحية أحمد والمطرب حامد مرسى وسيد مكاوى وفيروز  

والآن من تطلبين؟

مع تحياتنا

 

 

ء28 نوفمبر  2005

 ملحنـــون 3

Re: Composeres 3

Dear Mr. Afifi

Thank you very much for your comprehensive e-mail, you have managed to address all the issues that I have highlighted in my previous mail.

 

I agree with you that my evaluation of  Sayed Darwish was subjective, or what I may call a personal view. Nevertheless you have made the same mistake when evaluating  Baligh’s work , for you have assumed -having no quantitative nor qualitative data at hand- that his music is not liked or listened-to by any one. Assuming an absolute fact on personal taste/learning.

 

I personally like his work and I believe that he is a great composer…does this make me a minority? I guess not,  for baligh’s music is every where… -and this is a quantifiable fact- ….in the media (one of the highest if not the highest  “adaa alani) …. most of the sold songs for Abdlehaliem, omkalthoum, warda, and many other singers, are his songs … most remixed songs, sung by the new generation are his… Yet you claim that his work “no body can even listen to now” …..  very strong statement!  ...but how ?....you must assume that every one changes the radio channel when he hears his music…or people buy his music with the intention of not listening to…  or new artists sing his songs because they hate success … if this is not a sign of popularity ..then what is it?? ….an academic analysis!!

We can argue, as they say “form here till tomorrow” that this (x) artist is better that this (y) artist and that this song is by far better than this song and so no…

Yet, what we both MUST AGREE ON, is to differentiate between our personal views and that of the public… That brings me to my first question  “what are the bases of the segmentation in the "Classic Arab Music - Composers" page,  is it simply based on personal taste?

 

Best Regards

Tamer

 

CAM Comment

Dear Tamer

Thanks for your comments. There is no mistake about Baligh. He was a good composer and many of his works were quite popular. That is why he appeared in our composers' page after all. You might have a stronger case if he was ignored. Note that there were other composers who did not appear at all in this page. This does not mean they weren’t good or had no audience at all. It is only a brief description of the most prominent events.

 

I note that you have already agreed with many points made in this presentation. The statement you referred to is in fact short. It said that SOME of Baligh's works are now obsolete NOT ALL.

On another page of this site there is a a critical analysis of one of Baligh's works for Om Kolthoum. It shows full respect for the man and his art but also shows how he was not a pioneer on his own.

We have to be realistic. There no matter of personal taste here as we are assessing public's taste not our own. It is too much to say that Baligh Hamdi ranks higher or even equal to Abdel Wahab & Sayed Darwish, the only two of the classical composers who appeared in the 90's segment, in popularity or else.. like it or not this is fact.

If you still insist that the number of people buying songs is the only true measure of assessing popularity let me tell you that there are tens of millions of people who listened to songs for tens of years yet none of them bought a single song for a single time throughout his life. We cannot ignore that. Yet those millions do not appear in any register, Paris or elsewhere.

However, I do appreciate defending your opinion.

 

Best Regards

Editor, CAM

 

 

22 نوفمبر  2005

ملحنـــون 2 

Re: Composers

Thank you very much for your reply, it simply reflects the respect you hold for your viewers.

 

I totally agree that Sayed Darwish is a legendary composer that his masterpieces are by all means timeless. The older they get the younger they sound...he had this ability to simplify to amplify.

 

A part form the exceptional Darwish, the rest of all Egyptian composers will yield to the "adaa al 3alani results" which will be the only true judgment to what the audience really listens to since we do not have a quantifiable findings that says otherwise.

 

For example I have heard that 2 years ago Baligh Hamdy had the highest "adaa al 3alani results" yet he was not mentioned in the latest years?

 

I do not want to sound philosophical, it was just a question.

Thank you once again for your great effort

Best Regards

Tamer

 

CAM Comment

Dear Tamer

Thanks for your kind comment & for expressing your view in this topic. Discussion is in fact important as it helps us rightly evaluate art. Invalid evaluation can cause serious confusion in a subject that can positively or negatively affect public taste & mode.

 

Your query may be justified when using figures of the Tables of Paris for as a sole base to rank composers' popularity. To say it is the only true judgment because it is the only quantitative is not quite valid. Popularity is much wider in concept than a table showing number of broadcasts. There are other important indices of popularity that can give more realistic impression.

 

Despite your call for objectiveness, your evaluation of Sayed Darwish work & your explanation of giving him exceptional state sound quite subjective though qualitative, with expressions like legendary, masterpieces, younger sound, his ability etc.

 

However, let us examine the suggested index, Tables of Paris, for objectivity.

Sayed Darwish score according to TOP results amounts to near zero compared to other figures. Yet he is the most popular composer for almost a century as you have stated. Extracting Sayed Darwish out of this context is not an objective way out. Because if we are going to be objective we have to apply the same measures on all.

So quantitatively this man did NOT get a penny from "al-adaa al-alani". Moreover he certainly wouldn't qualify for it for several reasons, the least is that his works were never broadcasted in his life.

Adding that Sayed Darwish had the least number of music works compared to other composers we come to conclude that his art cannot be evaluated on quantitative grounds. The return question is why should the rest be judged only quantitatively?

 

Baligh Hamdi is known to have turned to music business rather than music art for about half of his productive live. He composed songs for tens of singers and made hundreds of substandard works that no body can even listen to now. His name was the target of every singer, good & poor,  just like a brand name for fame and publicity. This phenomenon started by Baligh and extended to his imitators later. The result was more money, less art.

As you know, art is subjective by definition. We cannot depend solely on scores & figures. Likewise movies judged by box office returns only rarely represent true success. You can say that apart from the five big names things may be somewhat leveled, for the rest were rather followers not true pioneers. Their works could become popular in certain time but couldn't show long survival or strong return.

 

It is also noted that a number of new singers were granted the Platinum Disc prize, just like Abdel Wahab, despite the vas difference in true popularity. Abdel Wahab's art lived in millions of hearts for tens of years. Others' made millions of pounds and died in a few weeks.

 

It looks like you had this notice in mind when you first asked your question but preferred to wait.. So please do not hesitate to further discuss any point if you feel so. 

Best Regards

Editor, CAM

 

 

13 نوفمبر 2005   

ملحنــــون

CAM - Composers

Thank you very much for this lovely site.. it is great to see such sites that cares about those great musicians .

 I just have a question??

 what is the bases of this segmentation in the "Classic Arab Music - Composers" page ?

is it according to your personal evaluation or what...

best regards

Tamer

 تعليق أراب ميوزيك

Arab Music comment: Dear Tamer

Thank you for your nice comments.

You refer in your question to the grouping shown in the photo album - composers' page.

The point you have raised, the basis on which composers were segmented, is worth explanation. It is NOT personal evaluation. The basis is simply the popularity of their works.

 

Mathematically speaking we can draw curves showing the ups & downs of composers' works popularity across time. Then arrange those ranked top popular in certain time together.

As you have probably noticed, composers appeared in chronological order, older to recent, grouped in decades and titled by decade e.g. twenties, thirties, forties etc.

 

Some composers appeared in certain decades, for their works were commonly heard during that time and most remembered & favored by public audience.

 

Some works continued that way for several decades so their composers continued to appear, e.g. M. Abdel Wahab.

 

Other works were popular for only a decade or two, their composers appeared only for that period e.g. Al-Tawil, Al-Mougi.

 

The most striking feature in this arrangement is the return of Sayed Darwish works after decades of hiding. They were ranked top popular early in the century, then disappeared for a few decades to reappear strongly and continue till the end of the century. The reason was not  change of public taste but the deliberate hiding of his works after his death by the alliance of some authorities; State, represented by consecutive kings, British occupation force and the Oriental Music Institute, headed by a group of conservative musicians who opposed his new school of music.

Best wishes

 

 

7 نوفمبر 2005

محمد عبده

Dear People at Classic arab Music,

 

Thank you for your quick and nice answer. I will send

you a biography of Mohamed Abdo and links to his best

works, as soon as possible. Not later than this sunday.

Thanks again and bye

تعليق أراب ميوزيك

 

Hello Salem

Thanks for your offer.

If you intend to send any recordings please use this address:

Arab_musica@yahoo.com

Regards